Worst Case Really That Bad? - Perspective on Taking Risks

[00:00:00] Welcome back to life on target podcast. I am your host, Nathan spearing. Bringing you. My conversation with Michael, my main man that has recently. Relocated his family. From active duty military service to our community. Joined our church joy and our operations here in construction. And we have been playing around with some new and interesting ways to deliver more.

[00:00:29] Pertinent content to your life. I know we're already doing that pretty well here, but I just feel like we're always missing some of the more nitty gritty. Tactical technical aspects of living your life on target. And we've been experimenting with ways to deliver the content. Whether it's through a premium feed or whether it's just more regularly talking with a guy that is farther back on the path than I am and chasing after [00:01:00] me catching up to me.

[00:01:01] And getting their perspective because I've been doing this real estate things, entrepreneurial thing for a really long time. And sometimes. I forget what it was like at the very beginning. And that's one of the reasons why we started doing this podcast earlier was to capture that perspective, to capture the optic that I have now at the. Seven year mark and construction, but then real estate for almost 15 years now. before we lose the perspective of the life in the trenches building and productive household, And Michael's start now. His journey free from the military, having. Freedom with this time and is working on helping us build our operations here. And we're having a lot of great conversations. So what follows is a conversation that we had.

[00:01:52] About a bunch of different topics, but about business, about taking risks about [00:02:00] the options that are available to you, how to do that. How to cultivate it in your family. So here is some excerpts from that conversation. We hope you find it. Immensely practical. Enjoy.

[00:02:13] Uh, you were saying we need workers.

[00:02:15] I want to create a spot where people want to work. Where, when you come to work because you and I both experienced the government, we thought that was going to be it. Cool guns, sexy missions, you know, tip of the spear, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The culture sucked. Because there was no way to get ahead faster.

[00:02:36] It's time. Or every year you get a pay raise. That is 2% while inflation was 11. So you're getting less and less money. They're not updating your cost of a housing allowance based on current market conditions. They're not, you can't pass the incompetent boss. You'll never gonna pass. He he's gonna move up.

[00:02:56] You're going to move up behind him. That, that crop of [00:03:00] people that are your leaders are always going to be over. You. And you can't pass them up. You can't look at the sky and be like, this dude is a jerk. He doesn't know how to manage people. He is, but he's the master Sergeant. He's the Sergeant major and there's no way for me to catch him. And my buddy who left the military and went double Ivy league into bank of America culture. So he found out he's in his mid thirties.

[00:03:25] And he's going into bank of America and he's got a 26 year old manager. Who went right to school, out the gate and went right into bank of America culture or whatever. And he can't. He can't pass her. And she's threatened by him because he's 35. Years old and has multiple combat rotations and life experience and understands people better than she does. And so she, she actually just stiffs them on his bonus. Instead of, you know, healthy culture, like, Hey, hang on, I got this guy on my team. That's got life [00:04:00] experiences that can see, I could actually go to him and be like, what do you think about this? How do we do this? And you could innovate and you could create. But now you're not going to do that.

[00:04:08] Anyway, all that to say is when I got out and I was starting as just me. With the truck with tools that I had accumulated over doing real estate for six, eight years. I needed business. Help. I needed someone to tell me how to calculate overhead, What to charge. None of the modern craftsmen podcast, construction live podcast talked about.

[00:04:36] What is a good hourly rate to start out with, or what is a good way to start out at this hourly rate, but then at the end of the month, Do this assessment. And see was that enough?

[00:04:51] Where we're at right now with transform. We have a full pipeline. Now we can't assume that everyone in our pipeline is going to be, but [00:05:00] we way we did, we have done it as.

[00:05:02] If you've paid me 10 grand. You're probably going to go with me, right. Um, So we've, we've, we've not let anyone in that far. And so we basically have this belief that we're gonna be able to close it. But there's also people stacking up behind them in the pipeline. So it's like, oh wait, we thought we were going to send our crew. To this next job, we didn't sign that contract, but we've got somebody else. Or I got side projects. To send them to I got rental properties. I got a farm. I'm building a barn, doing all this kind of stuff. So the business knowledge that how to do it as like tactically as missing.

[00:05:39] For people. And you're talking about the fear of the unknown. That literally is the other thing I've talked about in that podcast on life, on target. Um, things people never tell you about the military is how long it's going to take. And I am going to publish a. Uh, Larson Hicks. And I talked, I think this is the talk that's going to go out this week. I haven't edited [00:06:00] it yet. How.

[00:06:00] How long it takes

[00:06:00] to switch from. The pain of. Receiving everything, the security of the military to, okay. Now

[00:06:08] I'm not well, It's that. But it's also. Like doing a worst case. Uh, scenario assessment, like worst case scenario for where you getting out. Like runway. But even then, like you're in the United States.

[00:06:27] You go completely bankrupt. So you, you file bankruptcy. All your debt gets wiped out. Your credit score sucks and you're in a one bedroom apartment. With six kids, you know, And so you have to put bunk beds in the living room. You know, or whatever.

[00:06:48] That's not a bad. Situation to be in

[00:06:50] No one is starving.

[00:06:51] No, one's starving. You could literally go. Two. The high end restaurant. In [00:07:00] town. And what time do they close? And camp out and get. All the food, your family needs out of the dumpster. Like. Every day because of the mass amounts of food.

[00:07:14] And I've dumpster dived before. I guess the other thing is like, Oh, I'm not going to get in a dumpster. Like literally the food was on the five-star restaurant of the city. Uh, Prepared, whatever got thrown out, it's in a plastic bag, you know, whatever. Like I just. We have such a terrible perspective of what.

[00:07:39] The worst case scenario is like worst case scenario. We have to have one car as a family. You know, I got a bike to work. You know, whatever, like you can, there's so many jobs that need to be done. And so I was what Larson was saying. If you sit down and write worst case scenario, we lose [00:08:00] everything.

[00:08:00] We lose all our possessions. We have literally just the clothes on our back and our kids. Like that was one of the realizations I had when I was getting sued. I was sitting in the courtroom.

[00:08:10] But. My wife loves me. And my kids love me, you know? There's nothing that can change that. I'm not going to jail. Whether I lose this lawsuit or not like the relationships that I have, the quality kind of stuff. That's like,

[00:08:27] They're not putting me in jail. It's only money. Okay.

[00:08:31] So I have nothing now. I am a. 15 years of professional experience, post high school, you know, one year of business experience. I start my next business now, knowing I, one of the things I got was the MBA in contracts. You know what was so it's like, all right, now I got this new knowledge that came from painfully. I but ultimately I built this in 15 years. I got all this knowledge. Now I can go back and build in seven.

[00:08:59] [00:09:00] And they didn't take everything. I ended up losing. A lot of money. Ultimately like it was a net loss for my business, but knowledge wise. I learned everything. And so that was this like a realization. Why am I sitting? I'm sitting in this courtroom. I'm more nervous. About this Greazy attorney. Then I was clearing caves in Afghanistan. With machine gun bursts in my face. And it's literally about perception. And I literally sitting there, my heart rate was going in the courtroom. And I'm like, what the heck? Why am I. I'm literally.

[00:09:38] Physiological response in a courtroom. As a guy that has a purple heart, multiple valorous awards from in firefights, you know, and I don't remember. Potentially I had the same physiological response that had a huge, like shot of adrenaline. And so I was in the same physiological state, but I, I [00:10:00] did not remember.

[00:10:02] After. Clearing the caves and near-death experience just standing there and being like, oh my gosh, like there was none of that, like, but in a courtroom. When I have no money. Like I paid my last dollars to the painter. I paid attorneys all the way up to this point. It's not going well.

[00:10:22] We weren't making any money on the mansion yet. I'm pretty sure we're literally living in the mansion without air conditioning at that time. And so maybe one or two working bathrooms, corporate bank account. I could go back and pull it. Corporate bank account, maybe has a grand in it.

[00:10:40] I got for $4,500 a month in mortgages. You know, I had not figured out how to get good clients had crazy clients stacking on top of that. So it's like, Is this as bad as it gets. Like I literally was like, this is not, I'm not getting shot at. That was my business. This moniker that became.

[00:10:58] I'm not getting shot at. I [00:11:00] had the perspective. To realize that I wasn't going to die. And then if worst case scenario, wasn't going to go to jail. So because I didn't do anything. Illegal that we're going to carry penalties. I wasn't going to lose my license. Like all these things.

[00:11:15] It's not that bad. And that was what Larson said. If you do a worst case analysis of what's the worst thing that can happen here. It's not die. It's not go to jail. It's have no money. And that's the thing with. With Americans. We just feel like having no money. Is the worst case and we treat that like death.

[00:11:37] I have nothing in my bank account, you know? Like okay. So you go get a barista job at Starbucks. You go to Lowe's. And say, I want to work the plumbing, plumbing aisle at Lowe's. You're getting a paycheck. And a month money's going into your account. You know, You show up to a restaurant and say, Hey.

[00:11:59] I got six [00:12:00] kids. Before you throw the food in the dumpster, would you just stick it in this rubber maid? You. Like I'll pick it up, whatever, you can think your way out of these situations.

[00:12:10] In an America and that's why everybody wants to come to America. So I, people are swimming across the med from Libya. To try to get to Italy. Or whatever they were swimming across. I don't know what situation now, because I removed myself from international politics. Since I've started focusing, focusing low local.

[00:12:31] But that's why people do that, because if they can just get to America.

[00:12:36] They can. Have nothing. Except opportunity. An opportunity. Two. Not starve. And build something. And so, so many people. The unknown of financial risk or the just haven't sat down with their wife and kids or whatever, and said, what is the worst that's going to [00:13:00] happen? If I quit this job. The other side of it is.

[00:13:05] How much of your time are you devoting to that learning perspective? So. The Michael Kilpatrick episode talked about is, is getting a skill. So. Most people haven't. Tried to get another skill. I haven't done an assessment of what they can do. What is marketable? What is sellable? What can I do? Like even just, all right, I'm going to learn. I'm going to buy a couple of things about leather working.

[00:13:29] I'm going to cut some stamps, you know, I'm going to sew together. Some stuff on Etsy. Even if at Etsy. Like, what does the market support? I get social media stuff for free. I can start putting out. Info. And then if you're still working that job that you hate. And you know that the moniker is side hustle.

[00:13:50] But what I think it really is, is I'm getting skills acquisition. While I'm not worried about paying my daily bills. You know, talk about that [00:14:00] 168 hours in a workweek. Sleep eight hours a day, 20 hours. Uh, Of a 50 work, 50 hours sleep, eight hours a day. Take the whole Sabbath off, spend two hours a day on hygiene. I think you have 34 hours left.

[00:14:16] So nobody's working 40, 50 hours a week. Very few people are working 50 hours a week. You and I are working 50 hours a week, maybe. Cause we're getting here at six and we're working. So for. But most people aren't working very hard. They're nervous about an unknown. That's really not that bad. And they're not working to get skill. I mean, we have this durable trades right there. You can literally pull that book out. There's a hundred.

[00:14:40] Vocations that have been around forever. And you can pick one of those things and say, I want to do this. One of these things that jumps out to me. I'm going to do this for 90 days. Didn't work, but pick the number two, one. But the reality is, and that's where I have been and realized is I [00:15:00] don't care about.

[00:15:01] The vehicle. The service. So much like construction. I love historic buildings. We rented a historic building. We've remodeled flat four houses. Most of the jobs that I really enjoy are historic houses. All that technical is only 10%. The other 90% is business. Business skills and tactics. It doesn't matter if it's wallets, if it's construction, if it's, photography, whatever the reality is, there's a technical aspect that you gotta execute perfectly. The rest is business. Sales marketing. Communication, all that stuff. And. It. And so that tactical business knowledge, I don't think is there. Is out there. For like, there's a lot of people talking about.

[00:15:50] A hundred million dollar portfolio of, you know, this many it's like, what about buying your first house? And turning that into more value. Yep. [00:16:00] And then buying a duplex. And then cashing that out and buying a mansion like the first 10 years of this journey. Not. Yeah, it could have been five years, but there's so many people that are like, I'm going to go to a wholesaling class. I'm gonna start sending postcards to people and we're going to do owner financing and I've had people come and Hey, come here. And when you set this up, they're like flippers and investors that got their first 50% of a job stolen from them. Cause they tried to hire the cheap guy in town because they're trying to flip it and they want it cheap. So they won't hire me because I'm expensive, but they'll hire a guy that's using his cousin's license. And then, so it's halfway done. So they're over there doing the work themselves because they lost their mess, their money because they hired the wrong persons. Like you don't want to make those mistakes.

[00:16:47] Because you wholesaled and owner financed and flipped and did all these things until you understand the basic mechanics. Of cost of money, cost of time, skill, understanding of working with people. And I figured all [00:17:00] that out before. I got my massive thing. So is this not a risk for me? It was literally not a risk for me to spend on an 8,300 square foot mansion that has not been updated at all because it was my fourth house.

[00:17:17] And I was a licensed general contractor. And I have been growing up. So like everybody else tried to buy that mansion and then terminate a contract. I didn't have to worry about that because I'd already done it. Oh, I got it. Uh, estimate. Sent to me by the realtor that was hundreds of thousands of dollars. As soon as we went under contract, I looked at the estimate, it was like, this is high.

[00:17:42] Let me get my, my people in here. She's saying, Hey, it's gonna be $300,000 to do the basic stuff. And I'm like, yeah, I'm pretty sure I can do all that for 25,000, you know? And the first year and it, oh, by the way. None of that 300,000 was updating 11 bathrooms worth of plumbing. [00:18:00]

[00:18:00] Or updating any electrical. It was like paint. Mold. Uh, which I got my mole guy out there and he's like, yeah, that's pretty bad right there, but you can farro nine that, and this house is. It doesn't have HVAC. So

[00:18:13] when you, even to your example, That the mansion. Was your fourth? Yes. Major flip. Yeah. Flipper. Remodeler.

[00:18:22] Yeah.

[00:18:22] If you count the duplexes to. Right. First single family did to both units of the duplex. And then, and I, I say undergraduate. Masters and then PhD. So my master's was a duplex. There's two units. And then my PhD was that old house and I. I literally, it started out at 1.6 million. And in 2012, I think is when it was first listed.

[00:18:49] And I bought it the beginning of 2012 and I bought it. Uh, the end of 2016. So almost five years. Uh, later I [00:19:00] think is what it was. 4 4 34. And when it was, when we put our offer in, it was listed at eight something. But they carved some land off of it. And then I put under contract, but we also sent a letter.

[00:19:14] Here's who we are. Here's what we've done. We built a. A verifiable history. Of old house remodeling. And so you had a. Six kids selling their parents' house.

[00:19:30] Selling to a family of five kids that likes historic and they literally viewed us as a continuation. Of their. That legacy of that house. Yeah, I didn't do that. Part of it. God did that part. God. I mean, I did Google the family before we sent our offer. What's going on with the story of this house. What's the background and understand.

[00:19:54] When I was writing a letter. To them. I knew who I was writing to. [00:20:00] I knew I was writing to a family, selling their, I could see that their dad passed away. So I knew the story. Of this house. And I, I wrote a letter knowing that story, sharing my story. And so literally they told their realtor. No one else is getting this house. This family is getting this house and they actually offered to sell or finance to us.

[00:20:24] For a year. Tell we got it figured out. I didn't take the seller financing from them because I didn't, wasn't telling them I wasn't telling anybody. I was getting out of the military. On the banking real estate side. So I didn't want to take a seller finance for a year. 'cause I was about to be self slash unemployed.

[00:20:44] So I could take a seller financing from them for a year, and I knew I couldn't close any financing 12 months from now because I would've had no job. And so it would have been unfair. To take that. Loan from them. I just pushed and got closed it with a commercial [00:21:00] loan and got it done. But it's just that.

[00:21:04] That was after. So that's 2016. I bought my first house in 2010. So that's six years into.

[00:21:12] Real estate. If I were to try to buy that house as the first house. Then. I probably, I would not be, I would not have gone under, I would have figured it out, but I wouldn't like the gains wouldn't have been as massive. It would have taken me a lot longer. If the mortgage didn't cripple me, my first mortgage was less than a grand a month.

[00:21:31] The army was paying me 12 something a month. I was making 300 bucks a month. Like my mortgage. And my B my basic allowance for housing covered my mortgage payment and all my utilities on the first house that we did. Because we bought it so low.

[00:21:46] We were living in a two bedroom apartment for four months before we moved into it. So I paid a $750 a month lease and the 9 23 mortgage for four months. My wife was [00:22:00] pregnant with our second. She always lasts, like she cried. When she came in after we did demo. I literally went in and just took all, took it down to the studs, all the plaster.

[00:22:11] And piled all the. Plaster in the living room. And took it all out with a U haul in one motion. He goes, didn't want to have a bunch of demo out in the front yard.

[00:22:22] I went to halo school right after that. So like I bought it.

[00:22:25] You have to get the studs.

[00:22:27] There's a pile of, of plaster in the living room. And she's like, this was livable when we bought it. We got to move in here in four months. And then I went to halo school. For a month. So of the four months I'm going to be in Arizona for a month of it. And that's, you know, you look back on my wife's risk tolerance.

[00:22:49] She had never seen me. Do any construction work? Like she, we had literally been married for three years at this point. I think. I grew up doing it with my dad. [00:23:00] She didn't know. My technical capacity and construction, really, like I bought all the, I didn't have any tools at that point.

[00:23:07] Part of it is going out and buying tools. And going through that iteration. And I had said. It has to get worse. Before it gets better and we're going to get this. And we moved in. We did literally moved in. I got rewired. It reframed it dry walled it floors finished. And we moved in like four months. We were in it now that was not, we didn't do any new bathrooms.

[00:23:32] We didn't do any new kitchen. It was the existing kitchen and existing bathrooms, but we got the three bedrooms and downstairs. All the floors refinished painted. And then we did. Kitchen, one bathroom at a time. Just do bathrooms. You did the kitchen. We did built-ins we did painting all that. Like the whole house was primed white.

[00:23:54] Like when we moved in. And.

[00:23:58] We sold that for. [00:24:00] Uh, a hundred and. Five grand more than we paid for it of that. It was probably about 40 in materials. So I made in two and a half years, I made another 60 grand. Um, On top of my army paycheck. And if you did a cost benefit analysis right now, that would suck. To do that much. Work.

[00:24:24] For that much time, but I was 26 years old and I had. Two kids. And that isn't counting the fact that that skill set me up. To do the duplex. To do the mansion. The benefit was not just the return that I got on selling the house. The benefit was I had done two complete bathroom remodels. I had rewired an entire house. I had worked with a bunch of subs. We actually got scammed.

[00:24:50] Uh, not scammed. But the first tile guy did a terrible job. And with the cheaper guy. And now that's the first time that I had to, as a homeowner. [00:25:00] And I talk to homeowners about this, like a mess, probably a good thing that we could do for, for transform is like, I had two quotes. I went with a cheap guy.

[00:25:10] It looked terrible. So he, he, we paid him half. He used all our tile that we bought from Lowe's and brought their. So I had to tear it out and throw it out the back door. So I lost all the, either rebuy the tile. And when I told him that all this stuff was crooked, he was blaming the studs. You know, the framing behind it was like grout lines of just.

[00:25:33] So, yeah, that was a. All lesson on a product could go back and figure out what the cost was via email, but it was like a. $2,000 a lesson, which sucked. As a. 26 year old making. On what my army paycheck, two grand a month or whatever, like that hurt. To get a month's pay gone. But it wasn't. On a whole house remodel.

[00:25:58] And. You know, [00:26:00] so I'm learning. Business stuff. I'm learning skills. I'm learning, people learn all the, this that's. All fed into who I am now as a contractor. Starting your process so far. Yeah. If you talk about. 2010, but if you go back even farther, Further. It is. When I was 13 and my, and my dad bought a house. So that's the other thing is if you're doing this with your kids,

[00:26:29] Alongside with you. I mean, we did trail life the other day.

[00:26:34] 20 boys. Out there. I'm teaching about how to frame a wall. Talk about. Like sometimes I can feel like I'm not telling, I feel like I'm putting a lot into business and I'm not teaching my sons to scale. So there's an actual kind of tugging at me. Like I'm doing all this am. I really is. Are my kids getting it.

[00:26:51] They're getting it because I just literally was at. Um, Trail life with 20 boys. [00:27:00] Drop the trailer studs. I'm teaching them how to frame a wall. And my son's like knows where everything is in the trailer. He's pulling stuff out. He's laying stuff out. He's helping me teach the class essentially at the end was clean up.

[00:27:12] He's putting stuff back in the bins where it goes. He's hanging stuff over time. Yeah, because he's worked with me at the barn. And I've had him go get me stuff out of the trailer. So I literally look, the boys or some of the boys was, Hey, can we help you? I was like, no, I'll, I'll put it all back because I know where it goes in the trailer.

[00:27:30] And Eli's putting it back to cause he knows he's already gone and gotten me the bit driver he's already gone and gotten me three inch screws already picked up the socket sets. He's already knows where we hang the bags where the. The levels go. He's put it all back away. And I was like, That was, for me, it was like,

[00:27:48] The Saturday sessions with dad. They're picking it up. And also my son's getting the business that like I never got, my dad has a software business and I knew I've watched him do [00:28:00] that, but like, Jude went with me to a tile design meeting yesterday. He went to the job sites. He's seeing me in my coaching call. He's viewing, he's getting all the business.

[00:28:12] Stuff a lot more than I did. I got the risk tolerance. I wa I got to watch my parents go take a risk and my dad quit his job and do all that stuff. I was a little, I didn't know, functionally what's going on. And they're asking questions. So I think that's the benefit of the thing. If, if. The cost of not taking a risk.

[00:28:33] It's not just your.

[00:28:37] Uh, loss of earning potential, your loss of job satisfaction. You not taking the risk is also hampering your future generations. Because. They're not able to watch you go through it. You're de-risking your kids taking risks by taking risks in front of them, having them watch you go through it. And [00:29:00] conducting yourself.

[00:29:01] Uh, like a Christian during it and not, but even, you know, It's it's crazy. Just to talk with my kids about, oh, we got this job. Will you sign this? Oh, why are we still on the bus dad? Oh, well, I got to sell some more jobs. I got to get some more. This is where our finances are. This is the banking stuff we're talking about. All that stuff.

[00:29:20] You know, when you have a five-year-old that's like giving me five bucks after we went to the land, the first time it was like, here's here's money for, for putting money down. He understood. That I needed. Cash. I put down to get the loan. He was like, dad, I'm bought in on this. Here's my money. And we'd already talked about.

[00:29:39] The finances and how much you need and why banking, how this works. And I did on a whiteboard at. At the table. And so he understood, we went and walked land that daddy needed cash, a certain amount of cash to get alone. And he's like, here's your money? So that's the thing about having that multi-generational view? It's not like, [00:30:00] oh, my job sucks.

[00:30:02] And. I really wish I had more job satisfaction. Well, you don't have job satisfaction because you're too scared. To have job satisfaction. Your T you would rather get hands that handed out money. From this guy and grumble about it. When this guy that wrote you, the check, he's the one that took the risk. He's the one that lived in, uh, you know, whatever.

[00:30:26] And you think that you should have the satisfaction he has. But yet you're just going to sit there and take that money and your kids are watching that. And that's the thing we, we. We haven't talked about it. I don't think so much, but I talked about it with rich Lusk in the last interview too. So like, are your kids looking at your marriage?

[00:30:44] And looking at your professional endeavors and looking at your spiritual walk and your emotional stability and thinking. I really want to become my dad. Like I, I watch him every day. He is living and that's com that's [00:31:00] caught not taught. Like we talked, I think Bert Merkel on, I talked about like your actions and what you're doing is what actually is causing your kids to be who they are. So you, by you taking risks by you and your wife coming up with a vision by you, you taking. The leap of faith and then struggling through it and then watch letting your kids watch you do it. Your. You're setting them up. They get to jump off of that risk tolerance thing. Um, one of my friends in the army was like, we just don't even understand how.

[00:31:34] You you're jumping in lack of safety net, like getting out. And I, I, I literally took him. Saying it and me thinking about. His look at my life.

[00:31:48] That was to make me even think that what I did was crazy. Like, I wasn't even thinking it was crazy. I was like, for sure, we're getting out. This is fricking socks. I hate this stuff. Like I'm in the best unit in [00:32:00] the world. And department of defense. I got the coolest toys. And I hate it here and I want to be free and I want to be around my kids and I want to do my own thing and I'll be a barista.

[00:32:10] Like worst cases, me staying in this job. That everybody. In the army wants. And not being able to realize what I could do on my own. And, and that's the worst case. And so until you're there until you realize. Playing it safe is actually probably the worst case for you, especially as a Christian. Like, are you seeking the Lord with all your heart, mind, soul and strength? Do you have this.

[00:32:37] This urge. In your being. To launch. Launch. Go. Do your dang thing. And already. The reason you're miserable is because you're squelching your purpose, that God is giving you. Maybe the holy Spirit's bringing that up and you just keep pushing it down for safety. When [00:33:00] you're supposed to launch. And.

[00:33:03] You know, we talked about this the other day, the God that brought the people through the red sea, that rain down manna from heaven that caused victory after victory, after victory, when it was finally. They're finally allowed to go into the promised land. The guy that is protecting Judah. Five or six generations removed from king David.

[00:33:24] And sending out the angel to kill 120,000 Syrians and one. Night. So they wake up and the whole army is dead. Like that's the same God that we serve now. And we're just two. We have no faith. We have no belief. And we're literally doing, we read the part about Israelites being like. We hand meet and wish we were back in Egypt.

[00:33:48] Everybody's in Egypt right now. Like majority of Christians are in Egypt. Juan mad that they don't have enough straw for bricks.

[00:33:58] While the [00:34:00] promise land. And the door is open to them like this. Think about the Israelites in Egypt. Like you're not, when you work for. Amazon. And won't put the signature block and get fired. We equate that to persecution of like Pharaoh going out and killing all the firstborns. We have no historical perspective.

[00:34:21] Probably stop. So I can get my hair cut because I'm looking like a wooly mammoth. Yeah.

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